The other night in a $5/10 Hold Em game, UTG straddled the blinds for $10. The player to the left made it $15, and then the next player made it $20. Upon seeing the $20 straddle, the player who had made it $15 said, “Oh no, wait a minute.” (or something to that effect) and pulled back his $15 straddle. The player who made it $20 said, ”Wait, you have to leave that out there.”- With which the dealer agreed. The $15 poster did not agree and the floor was brought in. After some heated discussion and poor behavior from various players, the decision was that the $15 must stay in play. The player reluctantly returned the $15 and the game continued. Those who felt that the $15 straddle must remain argued from the perspective that ACTION HAD BEEN TAKEN behind and, therefore, the $15 must be left in. The player contended that a straddle is an elective bet and that a player has the right to withdraw it due to that fact. He furthermore felt that since no cards had been dealt, then there could not have been any “action” behind. I spoke with the player afterward and we were left with several questions. I would appreciate any opinions, but would most appreciate an actual ruling from a card room manager, if possible. Please include your credentials if you respond.
1) Was the decision to leave the $15 in the pot correct?
2) Could the player have removed his $15 and been dealt out of the hand without any further repercussion?
3) If a player posts his big blind and then UTG straddles, can the big blind, upon seeing the straddle, decide to take back his post? If so, why?
4) Can the little blind take back his post after the big blind has entered the pot?
5) Is there “action” before any cards are dealt out? And, is the posting of blinds considered to be action?
Answer 1:
This is a good one. Let me start with. Every Casino has its own rules…. There is no action until the first card is dealt. Any of the players can remove their straddle or blind before the hand starts. If called to the table, that would be my ruling. I might also add that I am glad they are having a fun game, but let’s not get too out of hand (for the sake of the other player’s at the table).
Answer 2:
I’ll tell you all, once again, for the umpteenth time, that before anyone can answer a “what is the rule?” question, you must learn what the rule is in your local card room. The issues raised in this post are mostly “house rules” questions, which can only be resolved by interpretation of the house rules in the card room where it occurred. But getting on with the discussion: if i were to write a rulebook, and if i were running the card room where this occurred, i would concur with the floor’s decision. The decision to require the $15 straddle to stand is necessary, since there has been action (albeit not “significant action” as that phrase is usually defined) after the bet. And once there has been a $20 straddle, under no circumstances would the $15 straddle be permitted to take back his bet and sit out the hand. Moreover, in a room where straddles are permitted, under no circumstances would either of the blinds be permitted to take back their blinds.
Answer 3:
The player who tried to take his bet out is nuts, for several reasons. A straddle is a “blind” bet. Once he put it in, and was straddled behind, it was action. Same for the big and small blind. If they have actually put their blinds in the pot, and so has anyone behind them, that is a bet. Often players are allowed as a courtesy to take back the small or big blind if they get a phone call or something, but a straddle is an active bet. This player trying to weasel out of his action is 100% out of line.